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Jun 12, 2012
Amazing. I feel you.
Jun 27, 2012
men are judged by how productive their actions are, women are judged by how sexy their actions are. That’s why women are better “suited” to entry level customer service positions and men are better “suited” to entry level menial positions. And the differences only get more profound from there. I’m not saying it’s correct, I’m just saying pretty much the same thing your comic was.
Understanding womens studies rules, because it’s actually about the interaction of gender roles. I’m going off on a tangent. Either way calling someone pretty and calling someone talented are entirely different things. I wish other guys would figure that out too :(
Debt Blag says:
Jul 19, 2013
I like how you just get it. I’m a male too and agree with much of what was said here.
High five, friend. High five forever.
Jul 1, 2012
Meta as fuck.
This is delightful. I appreciate your hard work and intelligent insight, Gabby. Thank you for commicking. I also would be thrilled to live in a world where people aren’t judged by their sexual potential unless they and the judge are planning to engage in consensual sex.
Anonymous Male Coward says:
This comic is truly on point, to the point that it reminded me of my own web-based shame. I commit this error far too often when I’m commenting on works of females I follow on Twitter. Fortunately I’m aware of this already, but I do stray off the beaten path every now and then. Thank you for this piece of meta-awesomeness :)
Oct 13, 2012
One thing you might want to keep in mind, as you continue on this self-awareness journey, is that when you use “females” as a noun, as in “females I follow on Twitter”, it sounds clinical, like you’re running a lab experiment as opposed to conversing with actual human beings. Try “women” instead.
Jul 30, 2013
^ ^ ^ like
Oct 10, 2013
Honestly, I use “females” and “males” sometimes because I’m agendered. My parts are female, but for whatever reason, chemical, neurological, whatever, I don’t really ascribe to either gender except for convenience, and to avoid grammarians getting on my case about the singular ‘they’ as a pronoun.
That said, yes, if you are speaking to or about a woman, she is a woman, whether she’s got male or female parts. If you’re speaking to or about a man, he’s a man. If you’re not sure, they’re a person.
Neither social constructs, mental identities nor parts have anything to do with talent.
Jul 2, 2012
I’d just like to point out that anyone who disagrees with this comic and/or posts on /r/Mensrights has literally the tiniest penis in the galaxy.
Oct 7, 2013
I thought it was the total opposite man
Gracious Host says:
Jul 3, 2012
who wants jello?
I’m a guy, and I find this system pretty damn unfair. I feel sorry by proxy (in a non-partisan, strictly figurative sense of empathy) that you’ve expended so much effort trying to reach out to people to whom logic is totally lost.
I can appreciate the quality of your work, in the sense that these comics alone (which I assume aren’t indicative of your skill, in the sense that a single work cannot be extrapolated to an entire portfolio) are like an argumentative tour-de-force that perfectly conveys the point, in a way that many people couldn’t do even if given 1,000 words to do it.
I also empathize, to some fraction of a degree, with your sense of mental exhaustion: I moderate an online forum section, and encountering those that regularly scoff at well-formulated, logically-supported text and repeatedly answer with thoroughly fallacious material is something that, unfortunately, isn’t new to me.
With something as trivial as defining a game genre, it’s demoralizing, and I can’t imagine what it’s like when it involves something as existential as your identity as an individual in society. All I can say is that at least on my account, I apologize on behalf of my gender.
I feel ashamed to be a member of society, when constructive things like this and your other comics can go so totally unappreciated (or even ostracized) by the majority of the Internet.
If you think about it, anonymity of the Internet doesn’t mask your identity by making you adopt a ‘persona’; since putting your name to the text is optional, I suppose it shows people for who they really are.
That scares the hell out of me.
Anyway, thanks for making this and other comics. As a useless tidbit, I’ve been finding them reblogged on Tumblr.
Jul 9, 2012
i encounter ‘compliments’ like this an awful lot and while i appreciate that someone likes my work, i’d really, REALLY love it if my talents, interests or intelligence weren’t fetishised.
we’re all really tired of hearing ‘oh you’re a girl who games/draws/codes/writes, that’s really hot!’. i don’t mean to throw what is probably just a misguided compliment violently back in the guy’s face, but can’t our talents and hard work just be IMPRESSIVE? can’t we just be RESPECTED for what we’ve put so much time and effort into?
and why is it wrong for us to protest that we’re not doing this to be sexy? why is it that doing so makes us an ‘attention whore’ or a ‘bitch’ or ‘ungrateful’?
this comic just perfectly sums up how tired and fed up the whole system makes me. thank you so much for making this.
Jan 14, 2013
I originally wanted to point out that it’s sort of a step forward for attractiveness to be based on something other than just physical appearance, because it still places the emphasis on attractiveness being the important thing: as in “You do impressive things, therefore you are attractive, therefore you have worth,” and that is a whole lot of wrong.
And of course those compliments are often predicated on the opinion/assumption that you are physically attractive, because if you are a girl who games/draws/codes/writes/whatever, and do not fit into whoever’s formulation of hotness, then you are just a girl who games/draws/codes/writes/whatever.
Jul 10, 2012
I thought this was fantastic! The way some of these arguments online go makes you wonder why you even bother sometimes…
Amanda Quesada says:
Awesome! This is a struggle for women, but also for men; hence, anyone who undermines the potential human qualities in us all. And thus, limit themselves to stereotypical behaviour assigned to their gender. Ex: women have compassion, men are brave, etc. etc. etc… how about everyone can have compassion and everyone can be brave? How about both genders take care of their families? how about both genders see beyond sexes and qualify people they meet based on personality and experience? How about everyone go out there and try to achieve their dreams in a sustainable manner? Thanks for the insight. We ALL loose in a sexist society.
Jodi Rives says:
Jan 20, 2013
@Amanda Quesada–There is not a balance here–women get punished for being women, men get punished for acting like women (nurturing, crying, whatever). Yes, everyone loses in a sexist society–eventually. But in the short-term, there are people–men–who benefit from it greatly and they aren’t going to give that up easily. When people–especially women, in my opinion–jump in first thing to say “EVERYONE has it bad and we should all just get along better,” it does a disservice to the discussion at hand. It IS worse/harder/more challenging for women in this society. It just is. No amount of equivocating is going to make that disappear. Every major system in the world is rigged in favor of men, if the men do nothing, they still win generally. The status quo is their friend in a way it never has been for women. And never will be unless we stop making the conversation “fair” for men.
Apr 9, 2013
Your comic is so good it makes me want to respect you.
Mike Brendan says:
Jul 11, 2012
I dig it.
Jul 16, 2012
brilliant. LOVE. you rock.
Aug 1, 2012
Well done, but fairly depressing.
Aug 11, 2012
At root we are all the same :3
Aug 29, 2012
O wow. Finally. The whole point condensed in pictures that even ‘those guys’ might at least try to understand.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Sep 25, 2012
Oh hell ya. Thank you for this :)
Greatly enjoyed reading your comic as well as the linked one!
Oct 17, 2012
Love love love LOVE.
Brilliant, I love it! All I get at school is sexist comments about me doing sport. If it’s not “Wow, are you a lesbian?” it’s things like “Oh you can’t run, you’re a girl” and “Get back in the kitchen”. Even worse is when I read teen magazines and there are detailed descriptions on how to look and be attractive to a boy. It makes me physically sick to see girls being encouraged to be into something they hate, just to make a boy happy. It’s like feminism never happened.
Mar 21, 2013
Big time props to you for doing what you love and recognizing the idiocy that exists out there. I have major respect for you. :)
Public Serpent says:
Jan 16, 2013
This comic is the most awesome, scary, brilliant, true and depressing thing I have ever read. You have hit the nail on the head and perfectly encapsulated the issue in a nutshell. Thank you.
This is going stright to the Twittersphere. #Destroythejoint
The only thing missing from this comic is the contingent of women who will jump in to agree with the men and show how not like other girls they are and how much totally cool sense of humor they have. Ugh. I need a shower now.
^ This too!! <3
Apr 10, 2013
Also the men who don’t behave like this and find the caveman mentality cringe-worthy, but who for the most part don’t speak up, either out of complacency or fear of controversy. I’m certainly guilty of that. The world would be a much nicer place if more men could step forward and say “Dude, just stop, you’re embarassing yourself.”
Apr 11, 2013
Yes please. :)
Jan 8, 2014
The world would be a much nicer place if more men could step forward and say “Dude, just stop, you’re embarassing yourself.”
Yes, so very much agreed. Please know that if you do do that, we have your back.
Jan 26, 2013
Mar 6, 2013
Ah just fantastic! Yay! Love this. :)
I <3 this. And I also <3ed the stereotypes in your link.
sinfest.net has become really feminist the past year or so :)
I don’t get it, but it may just be because I am a man and am dumb :3.
Awwww kitten :3
ROCK ON! I’m a cock-rocker, and I purposely dress like a dude rocker, not a chick rocker, on stage (no heels or makeup; instead, black jeans and black tee, choreography copied from Freddie Mercury and Robert Plant) because I want to avoid the politics surrounding femininity at all costs. Don’t want my beauty to get in the way of music. Don’t want people to be thinking about my clothes and boobs and missing out on all the fantastic music I’m making with my band. Just my little bit of gender politics for this delicious stew you’ve started on this page, Gabby. :)
Yes, yes, yes, yes, thank you for this, yes!
Apr 13, 2013
Fabulous comic! Thankyou for sharing it.
I’m a feminist, majored in Women’s Studies, and I’m a man.
Male allies exist. The patriarchal, heterosexual binary system will only fade away if all genders are invited to be a part of a new way – a way of open, authentic, respectful, loving and caring humans sharing in various kinds of relationships with one another with a balance of both appreciation of diversity AND desire to find common ground.
Jun 21, 2013
Really? You’re a feminist and an ally, but you’re on here feeling the need to jump up and go “not all men”…funny thing is, we know. We know we have male allies, and women that are just as harmful to feminism as any man. We see women who get up and say stupid, just as sexist shit as any man. But I also know that few men, when in a group, even ones that consider themselves feminists, will laugh on at the nasty, rude sexist jokes, because to not do so would cause them to be ostracized. Women regularly attempt to invite men to the discussion, but instead of saying “you’re right, this is bullshit” they start rattling off about how they aren’t like that. Ok. So freaking prove it. Words on the internet are just that. How about taking a stand for women on the internet, and when you see a woman getting harassed by a bunch of dude bros and their female clique, step in and say “not cool” or “you guys sound real freaking immature” or even “show the lady some respect”. You know, like feminist women do when we see another woman coming under attack (See: Jennifer Hepler, Anita Satkeesian, Laci Green). Because saying you’re an ally and then saying that this is unfair to men or is unequal to them doesn’t make you sound much like an ally. It makes you sound just like the guys in the comic.
YES!! Love love love this!!
Apr 14, 2013
Pretty cool comic, Gabby! Dealing with this kind of stuff is annoying as hell. I for one am starting to run out of male friends because of the “natural urges” they are all so devoted to.
When a guy said that something I did made him want to fuck me, I sarcastically told him I felt honored. Hey, the guy thought he’d paid me the highest compliment, why burst his bubble?
Fortunately, it’s not our job to educate people we don’t even care for.
Apr 15, 2013
Ha. Funny post. Thank you. [and now to go on with my life.] :)
Duane Raider says:
Jun 5, 2013
I’m a twenty-something white male, and I find everything that exposes my inherent constant privelege in life pretty unfair. It’s not enough that I lucked out at birth with every concievable advantage, I’m also gonna need everyone to stop criticizing all my privelege. It makes me feel a little guilty, and I don’t like that. As I a twenty something white male in the first world I should never be forced to have a moment of reflection or question if I really deserve my advantages. That’s not cool bro! Don’t make me question shit! I’ll have to lash out by saying something violent, possibly disturbingly sexual! I have very few options, Vin Diesel movies and Family Guy haven’t shown me any other ways of expressing myself! You just don’t understand that it’s hard to be me sometimes too. Like how when every opportunity seems like it’s moving out of it’s way to present itself to me and I can’t take all of them! Fuck! Schwartz! Trying walking a mile in my shoes before you judge, which at this point I think that’s what the comic was, right? A personal attack and judgement on me? I don’t know, I didn’t actually read it. Just skimmed it looking for my name.
Jun 10, 2013
Jun 11, 2013
Excellent work. Thank you for sharing your talent.
I really like this comic, and think that it illustrates the ignorance that can be found on the internet, hiding behind a shield of anonymity.
I think the thing that depresses me most is that there are so many women who comment on women’s looks (positive or negative) instead of their work. I think women judge each other’s bodies and “sexiness” almost as much as men. How many posts on social media do we see where, in the name of “pride” in one’s body, they put down another’s? Or comments on what a woman looks like when the article is about her achievements? Or judgement on clothes, hair style, body type, makeup, etc.?
Jul 25, 2013
Damn I agree with you SO FUCKIN’ MUCH (it came from my heart that strong).
Thank you and continue your way without notice those bastards-dickheads-whateva anymore! :D
Cory Kerr says:
Jul 26, 2013
As a man and a cartoonist, I would like to say two things:
1. Though I have never knowingly participated in being a total @$$hole online, I’d like to apologize for those that do.
2. I actually laughed out loud at several things in this comic (bottle of entitlement & logic forcefield). The art and writing tell the story very well.
Jul 27, 2013
You just summed up my opinion of the internet. Or made it in a cool, graphic form. Anyways, yay and thank you. This is a cool post.
Jul 28, 2013
Oh God I hear you! I get sexism every day and when you complain it’s exactly that: hysterical bitch, drama queen etc…
I was generously offered an open relationship (which usually means that a guy sleeps around and doesn’t commit to/love anybody). When I declined I became a pain in the ass. lol
You really have to hate women to come up with that.
Aug 2, 2013
I’ve never seen this comic. Clear, concise, good. However I just can’t help thinking we can replace the subject by any other senstive one on the internet, the comics would work as well. That’s how powerful your comic is. Congrats, you’re doing good stuff.
Very true, and unfortunate.
Peeps described in your comic are not as numerous as they appear but are louder, and jam up the message boards.
I hope brilliant women artists don’t ever feel stopped/dejected because of it.
Keep the good work!
Oct 9, 2013
OMG I love it! How have you been able to read all my debates on womens rights online since like always?! ;)
A concerned Individual says:
Nov 18, 2013
This comic is very far from reality
The amount that you have exaggerated to make a “point” defeats the purpose entirely
Whoever drew this needs to drink bleach and die
We don’t usually let these types of comments go unmoderated but this one is too hilarious to resist. You are awarded an A+ in cartoon reading and fun having!
Holly Golightly says:
May 17, 2014
here here! LOL
Jax Oh says:
May 3, 2014
Depressing, sigh. And brilliant, Yeah! : )
I’m so sorry that you had this experience…I never have – just death threats against my Kitty!!!
Happy to hug you upon sight…
Erline Dossett says:
An impressive share, I just given this onto a colleague who was doing a little analysis on this. And he in fact bought me breakfast because I found it for him.. smile.
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